A headline grabbing story was the trial of Max wind. Max -- last February. Got into an argument with a former roommate and the former roommate CJ shown ended up dead. Now there's a lot there was a lot of layers to this story was sort of intriguing and it in a way and Max. All in the house I guess CJ who was a roommate there. No one really had really doubted satellite goes in there or sound like you went back to get some stuff and that -- and one there we know that -- shot. From a all. Long gone and hit him with a rubber rifle rubber bullet him and that a rubber around and then lethal round and they were in the back she was shot in the back. We talked to Sean Carroll about this just before the trial ended John said. I believe that they're gonna. Give this to a jury and MM by Friday evening that the jury had. Determine innocence or guilt and they said that they felt like he was in self defense Max client and he is walks free. Valerie Cottrell is the mother. CJ shown the victim the victim who died. Valerie how are you today. For good. I I guess. The question and I can't imagine what this is like just the timing of all this too is pretty horrific but. Well what was said in that last and final day that you think kind of turned the jury this way because the way it was presented to us. And and these people were pretty. Neutron stuff you know and -- certainly sounded as though there was no way Max was walking on this one. While I hope there are so that. When the judge to overturn that and teacher in the murder that you are god charge of murder and second degree. -- with first degree all -- which supposedly could include back. When they went excellent charity appeal court. When there -- finished with a start he helped our although he had his they -- -- eight. You -- pretty appeals court should remain. On the case to another judge they eat they didn't do. So OK okay for so this guy overturn the original charge to let a lesser charge. And -- the defense attorney not the defense -- c.'s meet the prosecutors could have asked -- to be handed to a different judge in the did not. We wrap this hour and see anything that we could under the NY is yet wedding present everything cheap green Jerry. This is the idea that the former -- you're chewing -- yeah yeah and and -- -- -- when we -- and they didn't get out they eat popcorn or -- -- got something like they. Were a little different story. -- -- -- And we wish her senate troubled child. Well I meant -- -- you know are. You drug addict. All well I don't know it was not on best seat humbly views on high on bath salts that night. I mean to see you on that and I'm not a big -- I went to her brain dead rock band but even. In the -- -- it already get -- that stand within it Blair. -- So you have been high on list of well and I -- out so what was a relationship like between these two kids. Wendy goes south from the government and why won't. Can't brought this job and he wrote that the biggest -- and they started getting very strange. And but that -- me correspondent. It's -- let -- sit back a bit better. Hand. Just as effective disorder is like biscuits -- frame or more of a social. Where you almost aren't that just disaffected by anybody or any thing -- from what I mean it dates it's new wants more than anything in new wants labeling for this but it is. Does provide services for people that are slightly different in a little more. Can point to what are my. At that it would it would never brought out in court they wouldn't let it bring it out in court because it I will eat that -- the show. Improve. Dumping our product candidate -- -- something they can't exactly right I'm rich I believe to be sure. The DA seemed shocked. I. -- -- -- -- -- I even heard our daughter a murder -- -- -- I don't believe that you shouldn't battle over to him but it why. Tonight this is Valerie Cottrell Cottrell she is the mother CJ shown. Who is -- and deceased he was killed by Max wind and the trial just concluded -- Max was found not guilty. Of manslaughter right it was more self as. Murdered but murdered in the second degree with an outlet in the broader charges the album let it. I run a charity and area found guilty of Auburn and everybody's job just -- in the courtroom. How well did you know Max and I got I have three kids and my kids are still young my oldest is twelve -- kind of know their friends a little bit better you know more about them you know the parents -- all that stuff. Was somebody that CJ had grown up with did you know Maxwell -- someone he had met literally. It would probably be it won't -- -- him through other people yeah we're a very social arm around me and get a lot of prime. I mean you knew he could be -- which when they wouldn't fear investigation with me. -- -- every recipe so popular I think UH yeah they're making any friends. All the friends and BJ -- -- -- what was BJ. They are you dating it eating it up and and why my arm. It -- in -- -- -- over the 300 people came true why they got online and direct people. Yes but it does surprise me with -- unfortunate -- of a young person -- and how about but Max had a girlfriend who is there. -- a young girls when Anderson like seventeenth. I don't know. Hey why do you think he's -- murder again. Because I've got away with it that time. I'd feel I'd be very pleased you are you know what to do you know how to get around the law. And it seems like a stretch though when you have to have a reason I mean do you think he's mentally ill. You deal say that thing could happen that would set -- -- and he could murder somebody again. If you didn't like you I mean night spot with every apple. Because they didn't belonging. And I'd rather watch it probably where the air and we get the things that we need we can't -- -- -- you know. Without a work from an accident I couldn't afford it you are. When I -- my idol I'm would act. Who is the actor and help. I'm going to be out a way to air -- it still on the again to make sure there well. You -- brother at the turn around and they let -- -- -- -- I'm not a good mood. And I don't. This SanDisk I mean were you ever worried about them going over there that something was gonna happen did you ever have. A mother's premonition so to speak. We got that first one began with building and introduced me and act in trying. And curtain hanging in his banging Herman what does that term and it stopped his hack out and -- -- curtain going around him. And when you look at me. I just I mean I. -- -- -- -- He was just very very I'm very strange you know but that's well we never said like bleacher like other -- -- -- you know thank you -- -- me. And that I -- BJ and I liked it if -- -- I -- As many come from a family means -- warrant and they a wealthy family he on the Dallas right. -- -- out parents don't know OK but his his family on the house. Via the data unless they're just Macs. That -- around the court -- but -- -- -- and I Arab. So do you. Do you put any of the blame. On your son. Well about America and you don't tell the body you don't need an -- don't think you know associated any anger in his kid knowing that needs a little off balance or. Now eat eat eat eat I would what was his body over the air because you've got a good heart I mean I get it came true but lying in wait. And it -- Rasheed when he. They -- not. -- not that I was caught one right he goes in EG a couple of great and he took one hop and eat -- -- I could be warm. Blanket he did ask -- is what -- on. And keep it open air because he wanted to get the radio out of his car that he could get it through his body. And when they've got. Why -- CJ's car still over there she did live there like -- Shot he couldn't eat or are we couldn't at market rate -- -- component and when he pulled up he saw that the taillight was cracked or broken. He popped up to carry out at the LA is broken and when you look in the prior thought that somebody was trying to choose -- area -- when our feet. And he came out. And. Steel -- so people know this is Valerie Cottrell her son was CJ shown who was killed by Max wind and who is Steve in this story and a third roommate. And a and a friend of your sons or Macs are kind of on the. I'm also lucky that we hit -- short -- -- eating out we came out and stop a hail lightning and while I'm on a thin out -- me be without knowing them and one I -- one trying to. Turn around they -- I'll be eating here so I thought. Valerie said every time -- it would go over there he would call ahead DC call ahead this time and so Macs kinda knew he was coming and maybe have begun. Now because they're simple it is -- aren't I -- you going to help you with a syndicated radio right. So all -- out of the car so I don't think proves that your son who got shot in the back. Was a threat to this kid -- this kid's life. Felt threatened and I find -- so interesting that two shots were fired a warning shot base -- which is a rubber bullet then a lethal slug. Your -- and then he was threatening this dude. We are threatening to read and I just haven't had a day make that case that this case stated in such an. Let me out idea okay -- -- eat and eat bad -- mom. -- I wanna be up here he immediately went up here but it is tractor repair and we hit it right into our enemy action director -- there. -- they -- the -- never a word he went breakdown of the app. It went down and debate banking copy back and later you bet. It it was rocking start to block I'm from the kitchen down the hallway and came out that I'm an eight ailment that you were damn I'm on the even dialing one want. You're so who is dialing 911. I do on line. I don't beat his batting one wanted to this property that I -- -- came into the -- in theory about why it. He came out and shot on in the white alcohol. With a rubber coached -- I didn't know on the 911 call 18 it would com and what I want you usually do in you can hear me. First -- I wanna I wanna act. The push around a lot. And then you hear it the second round flop it you can hear -- telling me. Was -- played in court. This kid and that's a great question because Valerie that alone even if -- let Zelaya was played -- I mean it gives to be in the chair if there was out there aren't like I'm gonna punch in the face even I still see that -- -- I guess I'm not a. For the pit where your arms stand you know you don't shy. That the corner -- waited. It could be anywhere between street I think she made it get the shot -- and then on from -- right -- and yeah. Okay what three way. He was shot. Who sponsored it won't -- -- -- -- and I don't bother to -- brain and how he could you know him although it felt great in my car and am she can make a why. In the decadent and opened it up to eat it they've put that -- -- round. So that actually credited the -- penetrate. All right so this is Valerie Cottrell her son is that was CJ shown who was killed WiMax -- Max is the guy who just was found not guilty of murder. They were roommates. Apparently something went bad again I guess it was seat he lost his job he couldn't pay the rent anymore -- and this week. He laughed but he left some of the stuff there. And only taken out this. It didn't play out just let it okay and getting really weird. And BJ called me and bad -- -- I could Alter -- it's one that really strange and he put on the door. Quite as old -- I don't know how to lock and I nearly right I think I'm right atomic secret EG and creeping into it I didn't know virtue that are you content for the -- Not -- -- ha ha I guess it sounded eager to find elaborately body -- out for a couple of light leaking act. When he got a lot on his -- -- -- -- it bulk otters because a lot called me and I can get support to come back home. And went out and his brother and I helped him up a lot of it stopped and put it in my car. We came out of the room and -- like. Try to uphold their -- and I'd sit at the bottom of the doctor looking at him. So do you fear this kid in your own life now then these on the street they do do you think he would come after you. Absolutely what you know. Think I think everybody should Inaba I want it but I'm not -- and I'm not at the Y -- -- got me in my home terrible liar you afraid in the actually we. -- Have you talked to his parents and -- what they had to be in the trial and you said something interesting going a little earlier in the conversation you said. That Max wind lives around the corner from his parents they own a house and they live around the corner so they can keep an eye on him. That you set. -- at school DY. Who was that ever out why do you feel like they need to keep and I am a 26 BC's -- six correct or Tony for 24 year old man man. Why why -- they need to keep and I am clearly it sounds like there's some didn't. That that is gonna say it's a little off but you know -- of some sort. Keep the heat on him about these small guys out he's mentally how does and he was in the mental health system. The movie where do you think solid medication from -- he wouldn't -- -- -- you are probably he without -- I -- -- it will bring out in my opinion crush the rock and even lined up the -- Yeah a lot of you do that -- all isn't that why I mean I don't know what the side effects entered the turning you into a killer socio paths of secret killer but I I I think dead animal as one that just kind of slows things down and makes you follow a little -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Screw those dogs but not -- I want I want to -- but I want to get after this. Now this certainly gone completely. In Italy are. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- People to people who don't know what I'll do you even gone you know. He went and I think it does he won't be able to get medication he wouldn't -- -- -- -- worry -- -- -- You know keeping -- I am checking out saying. He talked to the other building earlier he never studied every you never had a conversation with a moment. And now a mother -- matter -- the room his legacy in no. Hurry yes see that's that's what I would want him. -- thing you know and did not our that they monitor I I and I she. What Brian Tong brought a problem out of jail. I'll. -- purple white grandmother when it broke mother found out. You're bragging you I'm she'd get a -- out of our -- -- -- -- I went right over to where the girl wore a -- I don't. And what mother after mother helped her child. I don't like the right into it with a guy -- I -- -- -- what happens what mother -- I -- that Florida hang out Valerie that that's pretty heavy what you just said in -- I -- -- let me. As apparent. People are taxing go and I I don't know how salary Cottrell mother CJ shown who was murdered by Max wind gets out of bed and bury me. -- is some of the comments I've I've seen. But what you're saying is that. The parents of -- -- we're sort of complacent. And enabling of whatever was going on she had a girl and role is your saying is underage sixteens underage. OK okay and did color his girlfriend said I don't want chanting contact with Max. It's as she put a block on the phone because that's it she can do -- And that's probably should do unfortunately -- horror faced teenage electronic Zealand bought a phone when he -- and track. Blue dog and turned seventeen OK. Instead let the air he. Well. Here but somebody who who we are able. Working at trial would still. Bible and I got a where you mean where do you go from here. Does Macs have a job by knowing he doesn't doesn't help you know we've seen that Social Security disability or disease on disability. Yet the market while we're woody go from here. Well I'm gonna keep an eye level pushing for -- let down. Well the thing is that somebody that you might like it out of bed every morning you heard -- you -- Very good and like anybody -- -- -- -- that you wouldn't mother child and another evenly perpetrated. -- that accident in our -- other judges you know. What it would. -- more -- and it would be -- -- other secretaries can say well you know eking it out when I opened it for me and so I shot. They can get up for it because -- Blurted -- definition of a burglary he changed it around. The -- and you're about being. A jury if eighteen people. You bring -- a long -- and that twelve up there too worldly women were up there yeah right we're all older I. -- up a couple of old or younger. -- you know already you don't feel like it was a balanced jury of of few else yeah well. It. I. Think from me the definition of burglary and -- worded it that they could get it. I I don't. Well they steal some -- we think -- what we breaking an errant wit and broken the Clinton broke it would it rank speech. Returned -- that beat you believed that you and your -- And they go what possessed since nine tenths of the law whether it's in my property and you came in without my invitation and took it. The remnants of that would be. And I plan to send books. Well it belt -- it lacking in court because she may act that he already took my -- acts. I'm not letting him and girlfriend that he wouldn't -- the police showed up he had an underage girl heir apparent but I got it she won there Christine Todd. Well oddly -- coming a mile hike -- as it should call that yeah she did not a Mallory of other kids. -- -- -- don't older kid -- what area all of that and sixteen years old she's the only one at present but not -- try and down the low blood from my diet cheap rate paper towel or should we react. Try to put pressure and they won't you just. More to stop it won't I mean you -- we weren't. Valerie. Have you ever met her doctor. Know -- or. You have other kids. -- -- -- -- -- They're -- they're -- like me a little bit. We're there right you need to our future treatment that the holidays in my unborn and near. Coolidge. He'd -- he looks like water and lock screen children -- being -- -- -- -- you know may turn around and bet his girlfriend. That you know believing get the bleach you liked it fair to clean up the -- Instead she lands she got the paper trial we try to stop the bleeding from right on and then look at him and told him like he'd be here NG wreck your car everything and -- and. When -- Valerie hi IA interesting conversations little scary -- -- wrestler and very depressing I am very sorry for your loss and I hope something positive comes out of it I don't know what that would be. But I hope it does. I won't know IPO but I hope I don't -- it -- going up channel choose. Yeah mixture or something I'm making every try to murder knowledge I would civil trial. They need to be held accountable in the parent can do. I mean we cannot -- another child. I wish you well by gun. -- of a piece of my house on a safari -- a kid did show my kid -- phrase don't bite apiece. Let's not get bet this particular -- We keep candy -- me and it amazed at school who get it eight up fourteen year old girl. Because he he get any other girl. But I'm sorry they get it's great that it moderate to what mommy dearest she got behind about appearance by -- Exxon stock that it is broken continue to be a -- Girl line meant that I had this little creeped in this that is creepy but that you got. We have to be careful 'cause I don't know word that lies descendants and a mean that that's due to how do you know that that's hearsay. I'm not I'm not trying to are a liar and I AM tomorrow and am I. I'm not here today you -- it it it -- problem under the legal analyst told me. I hit her and solve it broke my hair and not the -- now. It is accidental child. Is Max an only child. Yeah I got that impression OK it's not Mallory. Good luck and good luck in men and I hope this holiday season is I don't even know what to say they really don't know it was your story and anybody and I'm I'm sorry. -- well. Much from a we'll take a break through so many 65 W Siemens.